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#NotAVictim FAQs

Why this site?

Isn’t posting this type of information publicly an invasion of privacy?

I don’t understand the “victim” debate. What is this all about? 

This site only shows one side of the story. Aren’t most aborting women softer than this?

Where did you get the material on this site?

Why do you hate women so much?

Aren’t SOME mothers true victims though?

Don’t most women believe it’s just a clump of cells?

Isn’t abortion ALWAYS a hard choice for women?

Are you saying women actually enjoy abortion?

Aren’t ultrasounds the answer? Shouldn’t we be putting our money and efforts into getting sono vans/buses outside of every abortion clinic in America?

I had an abortion, and I wasn’t like the mothers you’re portraying on this site.

Aren’t women who get abortions like an animal caught in a trap? Scared, helpless, hurting?

Aren’t most women pressured into scheduling an abortion?

Why is this site so judgmental? Jesus says to, “Judge Not.”

Why is this site so religious? Can’t you just stick to scientific arguments?

Why do you want to prosecute women? It’s the abortionist who is doing the killing.

Don’t most women regret their abortions?

What would happen if a state WERE to pass a bill of abortion abolition?

Won’t criminalizing women for abortion just increase unsafe back alley or coat hanger abortions that harm women?

Do you think capital punishment should be exercised for aborting women? Do you want all post-abortive women dead?

I don’t agree with what you’re doing because my wife/sister once had an abortion. She regrets it with all her heart. She’s now the sweetest, most loving person — a great mom! — who works tirelessly at a Christian Pregnancy Center. It would be flat-out cruel to criminalize her now.

Why not pass heartbeat bills to protect the babies since they have more support than bills that criminalize women?

What about women who HAVE to abort to save their lives?

Why don’t you just help women understand the joy of children? If they did, they would not abort.

Aren’t you pushing women away from the Gospel with your methods? You should be nicer.

Why can’t we love BOTH the mothers and their babies?

Isn’t BIRTH CONTROL a better answer than criminalizing women?

Aren’t many abortive women just abused and hurting?

What about all the common pro-choice arguments?

Sometimes abused woman do things like abort out of extreme fear of retribution. Even though they can physically fight back against the abortionist, it is extremely terrifying and dangerous for them not to abort. Thoughts?

Your site is overgeneralizing aborting women. They aren’t all like this.


Why this site?

This website is dedicated to moving beyond the typical pro-life paradigm to end the abortion holocaust. It is a myth that the majority of today’s aborting mothers are innocent victims of the industry with no need for their actions to be criminalized. This site presents ample evidence of the premeditation and cold-heartedness with which abortion is often perpetrated on innocent pre-born victims. We advocate for equal protection and justice under the law for all murder victims.

The “second victim” narrative which the pro-life establishment perpetuates concerning aborting mothers is one of THE great obstacles to instituting equal protection and justice for our pre-born neighbors. We see an example of this in Texas where a pro-life legislator and committee chairman specifically stated that he will oppose bills which criminalize women for procuring abortions. He made this statement right before he killed a bill in committee which would have abolished legal abortion in Texas (see video of his statements to the left or here). This shocking statement from a pro-life legislator came after over 11 hours of testimony from hundreds of Texas citizens concerned about instituting justice for their pre-born neighbors.

Most aborting mothers commit this great evil deliberately. Their babies are the true victims of abortion.
There are two things that will truly help aborting mothers:

1) GODLY LAWS that will restrain the sin of mothers against their children.
2) The GOSPEL: pre-abortion Gospel message; post-abortion Gospel message, pre-abortive Gospel message (Spanish)

God does not want us to regulate baby murder, but to END IT in His holy and righteous name.

I don’t understand the “victim” debate.  What is this all about? 

This screenshot sums up the debate pretty well.  Abby Johnson is a leading pro-life celebrity running some very popular pro-life organizations.  Bonnie is an abolitionist.  Make sure to read to the end of her comment as you will likely be very surprised at her words.

Isn’t posting this type of information publicly an invasion of privacy?

Though the quotes, stories, images, and screenshots which populate this site are taken from real conversations and interactions, we have changed names and often identifying details for much of the content on this site. Our purpose is not to call out individual people. Our purpose is to expose the words, actions, and heart-attitudes of aborting moms, dads, and all those who assist them as they murder their children.

We often get objections from Christians saying, “How dare you as a CHRISTIAN post quotes from these mothers. You shouldn’t post what they say to the general public. It’s gossip! You should respect their privacy while they’re making the hardest decision of their lives.” Our short answer to that objection is that God’s Word commands us to “Expose the evil deeds of darkness.” (Ephesians 5:11). For more on this topic read 13 Reasons Why Attitudes of Aborting Women Must Be Exposed.

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This site only shows one side of the story. Aren’t most aborting women softer than this?

No. The Bible says that “murder stems from the heart” (Matt. 15:19). Abortion is always a heart problem. The root sin issues behind nearly all abortions are sexual immorality, cowardice (Rev. 21:8), murder, idolatry, pride, vanity, and/or self-centeredness. Many actively aborting mothers crack jokes about their babies and abortions. They design their abortion cakes or tattoos, shout their abortion stories with pride, and use the rhetoric taught by pro-abort celebrities like Michelle Wolf.

Other mothers write with a more cleaned-up, sober style, appearing “sweet, but just scared and confused.” However, truly “soft” mothers would never congregate with those who speak in such a vile manner of their babies and abortions. Truly “soft” mothers would never pay a man or a woman hundreds or thousands of dollars to destroy their babies. The sin of an aborting mother’s heart always shows itself. While this site is highlighting the vile content being freely shared in actively aborting mommy groups, we are also posting content from the perceived “softer” mothers who are also freely acknowledging in private message that they are indeed “killing” a “baby” (but believe their personal situation justifies doing such).

Read testimonies from post-abortive women who agree they are not victims HERE.

Where did you get the material on this site?

Ministry outside the abortion clinics by thousands of abortion abolitionists with a variety of approaches, techniques, signage, literature, and personalities. Pre-abort forums. Online outreach. Tag groups on Facebook. Public “shout your abortion” campaigns. Pro-abort marches, rallies, protests, and speeches. General interaction with pre- and post-abortive mothers in pro-abort groups on various social media platforms. Sharing material on this site does not constitute endorsement.

Why do you hate women so much?

We don’t hate women. Many of us behind this site ARE women. Some of us providing content for this site are post-abortive women who have come to the realization that we were not victims when we murdered our innocent children. We were sinners in need of a Savior and Godly laws that would have restrained our sin. What we most assuredly did not need when we were pregnant was wicked laws promoting the idea that murdering our babies was a reasonable and moral “choice.” We are not angry keyboard warriors taking pleasure in exposing all of this vile content. We are loving mothers and fathers who want to see unborn child abuse abolished in Jesus’ name.

Aren’t SOME mothers true victims though?

Read here or here to see the difference between the typical aborting mother and a true (much more rare) mother who can accurately be classified as the “second victim of the abortion.”

Don’t most women think it’s just a clump of cells?

This is an old school pro-life observation that has turned into a modern-day pro-life myth regarding aborting mothers. Since the invention of the sono, everyone knows it’s a baby.

It is rare to talk to any mother today who argues that the life inside of her is not her child.  The argument today from pre-abortive women is more along the lines of:  “I know it’s a baby, and I know it’s killing; however, my personal situation justifies doing such.”

Sometimes, the pro-aborts or mothers will argue “it’s a fetus!”; however, if you keep talking to them, they will often interchange the word “fetus” with “baby” or “child” or otherwise indicate that they know they’re carrying human life.  Their use of the word “fetus” these days is a smokescreen.

Isn’t abortion ALWAYS a hard choice for women?

Actually, many women pre-plan their abortions as they fornicate.  They say things like, “If I get pregnant, I will abort so fast….”

Are you saying women actually enjoy abortion?

The statement that “no one enjoys abortion” is true to a certain degree. No human being enjoys having to go through the personal pain and inconvenience of an abortion; however, there is still a movement to literally celebrate terminating a child. The mothers not only sometimes design their “Congratulations on your abortion!” cakes, but also tell their abortion stories with pride — evidenced by the #shoutyourabortion movement.  Some aborting mothers speak of their “childfree” parties — complete with baby piñatas that they can hit. There is indeed an inappropriate enjoyment or celebration of abortion by many pre- and post-abortive women today.

Aren’t ultrasounds the answer? Shouldn’t we be putting our money and efforts into getting sono vans/buses outside of every abortion clinic in America?

Sonograms are actually used at the abortion clinics as well to determine the baby’s age and best corresponding killing method, as well as at the pregnancy centers and on the sono buses to help a mother choose life.

Many states like Texas require mothers to see their babies on sono before their abortions BY LAW, yet in recent years, around 55,000 Texas mothers choose to abort each year anyway (like in other states where sonograms are mandated). In addition, today’s pre-abortive mothers regularly save the baby’s sonogram pictures as a type of “souvenir” from their pregnancy after aborting their babies. The sonogram simply is not the “power of God unto salvation” (of the babies) as perhaps it used to be or is thought to be today.

In many cases, sono buses and vans aren’t working like you think they are working — often due to sometimes misleading advertising on the part of the sono ministry. Sonograms are, of course, not a bad thing. When accompanied by solid Biblical counsel (that sono ministries often do not provide), they can be a very helpful tool in showing the humanity of the unborn; however, the vans and buses aren’t regularly pulling the girls out of the abortion clinic and saving their babies from an abortion as directly as you think they are.

Many sidewalk counselors have regularly observed that the mothers make appointments ahead of time with the sono buses/vans, and they schedule the girls to come to the abortion clinic where they are parked outside. They are not, as is commonly thought, usually mothers with scheduled abortions at the clinic who decided on the way in to the surgery to instead get in the bus or van and then choose life. This is why ministries like “Save the Storks” carefully use the term “abortion-VULNERABLE” (rather than “actively aborting”) on their sites when they describe who they’re ministering to. Read here to understand why these are two very different groups of women with often very different temperaments.

Here is an example of how the vans or buses more typically work from the observation of some sidewalk counselors:

I had an abortion, and I wasn’t like the mothers you’re portraying on this site.

Perhaps you will identify more with some of the “softer” mothers here in this article titled: “Not Every Mother Uses F-Bombs to Describe Her Baby.”

Aren’t women who get abortions like an animal caught in a trap? Scared, helpless, hurting?

This idea of what aborting women are like comes from a popular quote on the topic from Frederica Mathewes-Green. For some aborting mothers, the sentiment expressed in this quote is somewhat true. A subset of mothers do indeed exhibit a tremendous sadness and even loneliness in their wicked decision to kill their child. However, for a larger number of aborting mothers, the spirit is not so much sadness and loneliness, as it is “I am woman; hear me roar!”

Many women today not only demand abortion, but demand that tax payers pay for it. They are haughty, vile, and proud of their sin as they boldly flaunt their decision to slaughter. The majority of pre-abortive women do indeed think of abortion quite casually. This is evidenced by articles like this and in the pre-abort forums when they are discussing the pros and cons of chemical vs. surgical disposal of their children. The mindset is simply: “What’s best for ME?”

There is an unwise and inappropriate compassion in Mathewes-Green’s statement that is not befitting of today’s aborting mothers. If we are to show compassion toward a mother’s situation, let us show compassion where it is Biblically due. To show compassion for a mother because she is “sad” or “lonely” in her choice to bully her baby to death is like showing compassion for a rapist when he rapes because he feels “sad” and “lonely” that he doesn’t have a girlfriend. We must remember that the Bible teaches us that, “the compassion of the wicked is cruel” (Prov. 12:10) and learn to demonstrate righteous compassion toward mothers who are tempted to murder their children. Righteous compassion NEVER affirms or assists a woman in doing evil to her child, but instead gives her warning about the evil of her desire. Righteous compassion assists her in LOVING her baby instead.

In addition, when we are thinking through what an actively aborting mother is like, it’s very important that we do not get this category of mothers confused with the abortion-vulnerable women who go to the Pregnancy Centers. Read here to understand why these are two very different groups of women with often very different temperaments.

Aren’t most women pressured into scheduling an abortion?

While we must always take into account the very real pressures that some aborting mothers feel from those around them, this is not an excuse to murder a child any more than pressure from a boss on his secretary to engage in adultery excuses her from her part in the act. We must remember that “cowardice” is a sin listed in Revelation 21:8 right beside “murder” and “sexual immorality.”  Women should be strong enough, by the grace of God, to say “no” to pressure to kill the little ones in their wombs — similar to if they were receiving pressure to kill their six month old outside of the womb. . Additionally, when ministering to actively aborting women, we have found that even when women have supportive husbands, boyfriends, or parents, they often still abort because they personally don’t want their child.

It is also important for us to be more factual in our dialogue about abortion. While many pro-life organizations (like this one here) cite numbers stating between 64 to 80% of women are “coerced” or “forced” into their abortions — blame-shifting the mother’s own sin on to another — the statistics just don’t show those numbers to be true. The Guttmacher Institute gathered data in this study here from information provided on intake forms at one U.S. killing place — presumably in the days or moments before the mothers chose to slaughter their little sons and daughters. Their study [and the studies of additional sources cited] concluded: “Fewer than 1% of women cite pressure from a partner or parent as the most important reason for their abortion.”

Why is this site so judgmental? The Bible says to “judge not.”

The Bible does indeed tell us, “Judge not that you be not judged.” But do not miss the CONTEXT. Jesus is not saying that we shouldn’t judge at all; He’s saying, “Don’t judge HYPOCRITICALLY or UNRIGHTEOUSLY.” Continuing on in that same passage, He says, “How can you say to your brother, let me take the speck out of your eye when there’s a LOG in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your eye and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye” (Matthew 7:4-5).

That passage in Matthew is actually telling us HOW to judge — not to avoid it entirely. 

“Better is open rebuke than hidden love” (Proverbs 27:5).

“Open your mouth, JUDGE righteously” (Proverbs 31:9).

“If your brother sins against you, go and TELL him his fault” (Matt. 18:15).

“Do not judge by appearance, but JUDGE with right judgment” (John 7:24).

“The spiritual person JUDGES all things” (I Cor. 2:15).

“Is it not those inside the church whom you are to JUDGE?” (I Cor. 5:12)

“The Bible is useful… for reproof and correction” (2 Tim. 3:16).

Ephesians 5:11 even issues a command to believers to “take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.” The purpose of this site is not to point out everyone’s wrongs so that we can show how much more right we are in sinful pride. The point is to encourage those who minister to aborting mothers or abortion-vulnerable mothers to minister with the Gospel that is the power of God unto salvation and to work to instill Godly laws that will RESTRAIN the sin of aborting mothers toward their children.

Why is this site so religious? Can’t you just stick to scientific arguments?

Abortion is a moral issue. All morality ultimately stems from one’s religion. Additionally, all laws assert what is right and what is wrong and are therefore moral statements. If we want justice in our society we have to know how to determine what justice is. Science doesn’t give us love, mercy, or justice, but the God of the Bible and His good commands do.

Why do you want to prosecute women? It’s the abortionist who is murdering the babies.

The abortionist cannot do what he does to the babies without the woman signing the consent forms (giving the abortionist legal permission to kill her baby), paying her hundreds or thousands of dollars, walking in freely of her own accord, undressing herself, placing her feet in the stirrups, swallowing the pills by her own hand, holding still on the table, refusing to call 911 for a “forced” abortion, refusing the assistance of any sidewalk counselors, refusing pro bono (free) pro-life legal assistance, and refusing the aid of the local Pregnancy Help Center. She is just as guilty as the abortionist if not MORE SO because she has an even greater moral obligation to protect her child as the baby’s mother. Under some states’ laws, hiring a hitman is worse than being the hitman. The abortionist doesn’t go out and gather infants into his clinic to slaughter them; mothers bring their defenseless pre-born children to him and pay him to do the deed.

Don’t most women regret their abortions?

If you have congregated with repentant or regretful post-abortive mothers in an online forum or in post-abortive counseling somewhere, it is easy to be mislead into thinking that most aborting mothers do indeed regret their abortions… because you have grouped together under that particular banner. The truth is that some mothers do regret their abortions, but many do not. The Guttmacher Institute has put out data over the years showing that around fifty percent of aborting mothers go back to purchase a second abortion for a second child. That shows that at least fifty percent did not truly regret what they did to child number one.

Some mothers do feel sorrow or anxiety or depression related to their choice to terminate a baby. This really should have no effect on our willingness to prosecute (going forward) the crime of murder against innocent pre-born children. We don’t make this “regret” argument about any other violent crime. When rapists later regret what they did, we don’t argue that they are merely victims and shouldn’t be prosecuted. Even when someone is impaired by their current circumstances, we still do not make this argument. If a man commits a violent physical assault against his wife while he is drunk, for instance, and then wakes up the next day regretting it and feeling sorrow for what he did, we still agree he should be prosecuted for his crimes against his victim. Going forward after abortion is criminalized, the same should be true for women who abort their babies.

Additionally, when we have opportunity to counsel with mothers who are expressing sorrow over their past abortions, we should note that sorrow does not necessarily equal repentance. There is a worldly, self-centered sorrow which still leads to death for their souls (2 Cor. 7:10). Godly sorrow always leads to repentance for sin. The forgiveness of Christ is for those who repent of their sin and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. We shouldn’t hesitate to lead post-abortive women to the truth about their sin and the Gospel message which is the answer for the very real guilt that some do indeed carry.

What would happen if a state WERE to pass a bill of abortion abolition?

What happens next after a bill of abolition is passed? What about enforcement, judicial challenges on state and federal levels, and federal intervention? Texas attorney, Bradley Pierce, covers the most important things you can do to prepare for these challenges.

Won’t criminalizing women for abortion just increase unsafe back alley or coat hanger abortions that harm women?

We agree that murdering a baby with a coat hanger is very dangerous. This is similar to what we would tell a potential burglar — that he may get bit by the family’s guard dog or cut his hand on the glass while robbing the old lady’s home. The fact that a law is sometimes broken is not a good argument for discarding the law. We don’t expect any of our other laws against violent crimes such as rape or assault to stop all of those crimes; however, good and righteous laws do discourage many people from perpetrating these acts. That is precisely why good laws must prosecute offenders.

Criminalizing abortion would simply enforce the law, establishing equal justice for the tiniest of Americans under our current homicide laws. Without criminalization of every individual involved with the abortion, any abortion abolition laws simply would have no teeth (and really would encourage DIY abortions which are more dangerous for the mother). Modern day aborting mothers couldn’t care less about laws making abortion illegal if there is no corresponding punishment for breaking that law.

I don’t agree with what you’re doing because my wife/sister once had an abortion. She regrets it with all her heart. She’s now the sweetest, most loving person — a great mom! — who works tirelessly at a Christian Pregnancy Center. It would be flat-out cruel to criminalize her now.

We hear you. Thankfully, laws don’t apply retroactively so no one would be coming after her for doing something legal at that time in her life. That being said, she is exactly the type of mother who likely would never have aborted her baby if there was a law forbidding such and if that law was being enforced via appropriate criminalization.

We have many dear, precious, repentant, post-abortive mothers who work with us in this effort to make abortion illegal because they know that such a law would have RESTRAINED them in their sin against their children back when they were choosing to terminate.

Read testimonies HERE from post-abortive women who agree with us that abortion should be criminalized for everyone involved, including women.

Why not pass heartbeat bills to protect the babies since they have more support than bills that criminalize women?

Heartbeat bills have major problems built into them.

Ultrasound Tech explains why heartbeat bills are seriously flawed
  1. They are innately discriminatory against babies who do not yet have heart beats.
  2. They rely on an operator-dependent sonogram to detect the baby’s heartbeat. Let us not forget that the “operator” of the sonogram is the abortionist and his staff who have already proven themselves to be grossly immoral in their pseudo-“medical” practice. See video to the right where a sono tech explains why this is a massive problem.
  3. They fail to challenge the unconstitutional court opinion in Roe v. Wade. Even the heartbeat bills which have already passed in various states have not gone into effect because they submit to court opinions rather than upholding the Constitutional right to life.
  4. They generally don’t uphold just standards for prosecution of abortion as murder. Often they contain provisions maintaining that mothers who procure abortions may not be prosecuted and/or the penalties allowed for the abortionist or the woman are lesser charges than murder.

Read more about the problems with Heartbeat Bills (specifically one passed in Tennessee) in this article posted by our friends at FREE the STATES.

What about women who HAVE to abort to save their lives?

Why should the child give up his life for his mother? Isn’t that backwards? Moreover, former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop stated, “In my thirty-six years in pediatric surgery I have never known of one instance where the child had to be be aborted to save the mother’s life.” Even Planned Parenthood’s own Dr. Alan Guttmacher acknowledged over 50 years ago, “Today it is possible for almost any patient to be brought through pregnancy alive, unless she suffers from a fatal illness such as cancer or leukemia, and if so, abortion would be unlikely to prolong, much less save life.” If Planned Parenthood’s own leading physician was making statements like that over fifty years ago, how much more can a patient be brought through pregnancy alive with the medical advancements half a century has brought us?

Do you think capital punishment should be exercised for aborting mothers? Do you want all post-abortive women dead?

We are not promoting retroactive criminalization of women, but for the establishment of equal protection and justice going forward and prosecution once abortion is illegal. We believe that aborting women should not be showed favoritism when their actions are considered under our current homicide law simply because we are women. Showing partiality toward one group of people over another in our laws is wicked. All human beings should receive equal protection and justice under the law.

We do not want all current post-abortive women dead, but we do want them to come to a humble acknowledgement of their sin for what it is: murder.  We desire that women confess their sin of murder to the Lord, trusting in His death in their place, and repenting — hating their sin and forsaking it because it’s displeasing to God. There are many post-abortive mothers who have come to repentance and faith and stand with us in our call for equal justice for pre-born children. Read their testimonies HERE.

Why don’t you just help women understand the joy of children? If they did, they would not abort.

According to the September 2019 “Fact Sheet” of the Guttmacher Institute (Planned Parenthood’s own research institute), “fifty-nine percent of abortions in 2014 were obtained by patients who had had at least one birth.” 

Not a Victim has observed in our outreach to pre-abortive mothers that this is often due to a rebellion against wise and biblical child-training principles and ideology. When child #1 is out of control in the home, mothers are too overwhelmed to think of bringing child #2 into the world and, thus, would rather murder than raise another child. We have heard many other reasons listed for aborting a second as well, including things like wanting their children spaced further apart, wanting to be done with raising babies after having other kids, wanting to avoid the discomfort of a second difficult pregnancy, not wanting to put on baby weight again, or not wanting to be tied to the father of that particular baby, etc.

Aren’t you pushing women away from the Gospel with your methods? You should be nicer.

To the contrary, when we recognize sin as sin and address it using the law of God, “thou shall not murder,” we are giving the mother the one thing that has the power to BRING HER to Christ. This is what the Scriptures actually tell us: “Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith” (Gal. 3:24). We do women no favors when we blame-shift her abortion on others or refuse to use Biblical terminology when speaking to her. Her salvation is ultimately in the hands of the Lord.

Read testimonies from women who have come to repentance and faith after their abortions HERE.

Why can’t we love BOTH the mothers and their babies?

The greatest ways we can love both the mothers and the babies is by not downplaying the mother’s intended sin against her child, but instead by urging her to repent of her murderous intentions toward her child, by the grace of God. Secondly, we can love them both by instituting Godly laws that will restrain mothers from committing such wickedness against their babies in the first place.  This is similar to how we “love” a serial rapist or thief. We help them to turn from their sin — seeing their sin in the fullness of what it truly is — and to turn away from it. We don’t sympathize with them as they continue in it.

It is a strange phenomenon that we peg aborting mothers as being in “pain” and just in need of “love, acceptance, and support” while rolling our eyes at such rhetoric for individuals planning other forms of sin like rape, pedophilia, or theft. We should never offer “support” for someone planning to sin any more than we would support a woman planning to rob a bank.  We love her best when we tell her that her intended sin is wrong and gently help to show her a different way.

Isn’t promoting BIRTH CONTROL a better answer than criminalizing women for abortions?

According to Planned Parenthood’s own research institute, the Guttmacher Institute, “In 2014, 51% of abortion patients were using a contraceptive method in the month they became pregnant, most commonly condoms (24%) or a short-acting hormonal method (13%).” (source)

Aren’t many abortive mothers abused and just hurting?

We need to be careful with auto-attributing grievous and extreme forms of sin to someone’s “hurt.”  The Bible is clear that “murder … stems from the HEART” (Matthew 15:19). Even in such an extreme situation as when a woman has been sexually assaulted leading to her pregnancy, her very real and extreme hurt from the recent abuse she has suffered does not necessitate abusing another (her baby) to his/her death in the wake of that situation. The sexual assault also does not excuse her sin toward her baby in the eyes of God any more than a rapist’s sexual abuse as a child excuses his sin of sexually assaulting a woman in the present.  A mother can choose — and MUST choose — to go forward in doing what is right toward her child, despite any past hurts or personal abuse.

Additionally, many women who have suffered as victims of rape choose to keep their babies and testify to the hope they gain from their children who were not to blame for the violence done to their mothers. See their stories here.

What about all the common pro-choice arguments?

Visit the Things You Say to Us website for help answering many common pro-choice arguments such as: What about exceptions for rape, incest, and health of the mother? What about it being ‘her body; her choice’? What if she’s really early on in pregnancy? What about the fact that God forgives mothers who sin in this manner against their children? Is it even a baby or just a fetus?  What if the baby has a terminal illness?

Sometimes abused woman do things like abort out of extreme fear of retribution. Even though they can physically fight back against the abortionist, it is extremely terrifying and dangerous for them not to abort. Thoughts?

Good question. There are two things that we think are helpful to recognize in the situation you brought up:

1) There are degrees of sin — including degrees of violation of the 6th commandment.

Each mother walking in to kill every morning at the local killing place could be very well guilty of violating the 6th commandment — “thou shall not murder” — to a different degree than the next mother walking in.

Things that could affect to what degree she is violating the 6th would be: being particularly young, knowledge of what’s happening, coercion, pressure from an authority figure, etc.

What’s interesting though is that when 5,387 mothers were formally polled in their pre-kill intake forms, less than 1% cited “pressure from a parent/partner” as the most important reason for their abortion: https://notavictim.org/…/study-cites-fewer-than-1-of…/

(So, there aren’t as many mothers as we tend to think who are actually being coerced to do it.)

2) The sin of “cowardice” is listed right along with the sins of murder and sexual immorality in the list of soul-damming sins in Rev. 21:8. We’re not saying we personally would have thought to list that particular sin there ourselves. But it IS there.

And if there’s any time a mother must repent of the sin of cowardice, it’s when someone terrifying and dangerous is asking her to murder the #1 person she has a moral responsibility to protect.

But that brings us back to #1. A young woman in a terrifying and dangerous situation may wind up still being guilty of violating the sixth command, but to a much lesser degree than the bold-faced, cold-blooded murderers we normally see much of the time at the mills, flaunting their decision to kill.

Your site is overgeneralizing aborting women. They aren’t all like this.

We’re not saying that ALL aborting mothers dance the Macarena in the abortuary parking lots before slaughtering. We’re not saying that ALL aborting mothers crack jokes about stabbing their babies in the face. And we’re not saying that ALL aborting mothers join groups that talk about “cooking classes for fetus” where they swap recipes.

What we are saying: There are far — FARRRR — more aborting women who ARE doing those things than you could ever imagine. Aborting women who are that vile are COMMON. These are the types of vile things that those who call out to and otherwise converse with aborting women at the kill mills or in the pre-abort support groups witness nearly every time they go to the killing place sidewalks or write a few mothers online.

That being said: we don’t want to overgeneralize. We want to be careful to paint an accurate picture for you of aborting women. And while we can only tell you that it is extremely “common” to witness the level of sociopathic, vile insanity demonstrated by aborting women who dance and joke about their dead children, we can also tell you that EVERY aborting mother exhibits some degree of hardness of spirit as she kills. And that’s because she must sear her conscience to murder. She MUST become hard… or she could never kill her baby. And hardened people with seared consciences are extremely hard to reach.

Which is exactly why we need the law to restrain them… because aborting mothers are no longer capable of self-governing — of listening to their conscience — once they have seared their God-given moral guide.

The only things that can help a hardened aborting mother are:

  • the Gospel that can change ’em,
  • and the law which can restrain ’em (in their intended sin against their babies).